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commission were among those lawmakers who signed that request. Matthew Mangino is a criminal attorney and former da and Matthew, welcome back. Where do you weigh in on the great Should the trial be televised?
>> Well, there is a federal rule. It specifically says that you can not have cameras in the court. The federal government has experimented with cameras and where there are 2 jurisdictions. It had pilot projects which they had cameras in for civil case. So it's not completely unprecedented that cameras could be in the courtroom for this trial. And I think that they should I think the American people should be able to watch this trial live and understanding with the implications of
>> Now, let me ask the flip side of that because there are those say it should not happen. What is the danger and 8 sharply divided With
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networks broadcasting completely different versions of the same story that without television cameras in the courtroom, the American public will be misled as to what happened inside that trial.
>> Oh, I agree. We shouldn't have to rely on pundits to tell us what's going on in the courtroom. The American people should be able to tune in whether you're Donald Trump or you don't support Trump, you should be able to watch the evidence as it unfolds.
>> Live so you can make up your own mind this case, not necessarily what people have to say every night after the proceedings
>> Donald Trump has now been arrested and arraigned in Washington, D.C., the next court date August 28th. I'm losing track of all the dates too. What happens next? In that case?
>> Well, next is kind of like it.
>> Formal You know, if you to use a term that's commonly used.
>> And a state court and
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basically what's going to happen is, again, he's going be told what the charges are. Obviously he's represented by counsel. So that's not issue here and they're going to set some sort of schedule. You know how this case is going to proceed forward with regard to pretrial motions and other matters that have to be entertained before this case actually gets in front of a jury.
>> And there is news coming out of your state since we last talked, it seems the alternate electors there have added the caveat to the document they signed that may keep them out of trouble. Can you talk about it and will it affect the charges the former president is facing in Washington?
>> Well, you know, Dow, I can talk about You know,
>> Looking back, it may been fully issue submit an alternate slate of electors
>> But least these Republican operatives in Pennsylvania put a caveat on that on
>> Selecting electors votes
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and basically said that it's contingent upon the court's overturning.
>> The election in favor of Donald Trump that this is these, that placeholders who if the courts would and there were some cases still pending an if the court were to overturn the case, what happened in other states like Michigan, for instance, these people basically signing said, were the the electorate even Donald Trump didn't win Michigan and that's why 16 the number 6 people are facing forgery charges for filing those elections certificate. So so Pennsylvania, well, not making the best decision to submit them. Did you do it in a way that may have protected himself And I'm curious yesterday the judge put several caveats on the former president for his conduct.
>> Among them don't talk to any other witnesses and don't try to intimidate any other witnesses. But you also pretty much just ask him to play nice. And before he even boarded the plane to go back to New Jersey, he was talking about the dirty nasty city and
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district did not being fair to him and the judge not being fair to him. Do you foresee a gag order in this case?
>> Well, it's certainly possible, especially in light of the, you action. It's it's a coming soon. You know, but do you know I've been doing this for 35 years and have I done these cases as a prosecutor criminal cases is that as a defense attorney, I still do them today.
>> I've never her a judge admonished defendant not to bribe or intimidate witnesses, not to try to influence the jury. I've never heard that before. That's unprecedented. My.
>> So what was your reaction when you heard the judge say that? It was I was astonished quite frankly, because, you know, advising.
>> A former president of the United States, you're in him.
00:05:10
Don't try to intimidate witnesses. Don't try to witnesses, don't try to influence the jury. It's not obvious to every defendant. You have to remind the former president not to do that.
>> I want to go back to something and I'm not going to take credit for this. But I heard someone on TV this morning saying it took 247 years in this country to prove what the founding fathers said when they said that all men and adding in that line are created equal. And that happened yesterday inside that courtroom in Washington. Do you believe that was the case?
>> And every American should believe that nobody is above the law. That everyone breaks the law. And again, these are allegations and he's proven innocent until proven guilty.
>> But nobody's above the law. If you have committed the crime regardless of your stature in the community, you should be held accountable.
00:06:10
And I think that's what most Americans want.
>> As we have been indicating Jack Smith, the special counsel appears to be playing three-dimensional chess. He did not charge 6 unindicted co-conspirators. Many experts say that that would ball down the legal process to agree that what he did by not charging the unindicted co-conspirators at this point in time will speed up this trial.
>> Well, I don't know exactly, obviously with Jack and Smith's strategy but I do know that if you have 6, 4, 7 defendants in the case and you're trying to move that case forward, it's going to move forward.
>> Or slow it it, you know, you're going to have issues with every one of those defendants. You can have.
>> Pretrial issues with every one of those defendants in that case can get bogged If you're trying to to streamline case and speed, it's processed through the system. You're going want to go with one defendant, your primary target and you're going want to focus
00:07:11
all that attention on that defendant and move this case forward as quickly as possible. Fani Willis in Georgia, the da says she is ready. How does that complement complicate the math with regards to the calendar, the political calendar, the legal calendar, any calendar you want to pick.
>> You know, we're looking at potentially that the 4th said of indictments former President Trump. And there's no question it's going to happen. I think the sheriff is already closed. The street in front of the courthouse for all of next week in anticipation of this. You know, going to add another layer to this saga. It's certainly interesting because this is a state prosecution, which that whole debate about in the Can a president pardon himself really doesn't apply to this case. And in the other case in Manhattan, yeah. So it's interesting to see how these cases all sort of route.
00:08:14
>> It's taking a card to keep track of them. All attorney and former da meth human genome at have a good weekend.
>> Thank you. Dowe you too.
>> Well, there is a federal rule. It specifically says that you can not have cameras in the court. The federal government has experimented with cameras and where there are 2 jurisdictions. It had pilot projects which they had cameras in for civil case. So it's not completely unprecedented that cameras could be in the courtroom for this trial. And I think that they should I think the American people should be able to watch this trial live and understanding with the implications of
>> Now, let me ask the flip side of that because there are those say it should not happen. What is the danger and 8 sharply divided With
00:01:03
networks broadcasting completely different versions of the same story that without television cameras in the courtroom, the American public will be misled as to what happened inside that trial.
>> Oh, I agree. We shouldn't have to rely on pundits to tell us what's going on in the courtroom. The American people should be able to tune in whether you're Donald Trump or you don't support Trump, you should be able to watch the evidence as it unfolds.
>> Live so you can make up your own mind this case, not necessarily what people have to say every night after the proceedings
>> Donald Trump has now been arrested and arraigned in Washington, D.C., the next court date August 28th. I'm losing track of all the dates too. What happens next? In that case?
>> Well, next is kind of like it.
>> Formal You know, if you to use a term that's commonly used.
>> And a state court and
00:02:05
basically what's going to happen is, again, he's going be told what the charges are. Obviously he's represented by counsel. So that's not issue here and they're going to set some sort of schedule. You know how this case is going to proceed forward with regard to pretrial motions and other matters that have to be entertained before this case actually gets in front of a jury.
>> And there is news coming out of your state since we last talked, it seems the alternate electors there have added the caveat to the document they signed that may keep them out of trouble. Can you talk about it and will it affect the charges the former president is facing in Washington?
>> Well, you know, Dow, I can talk about You know,
>> Looking back, it may been fully issue submit an alternate slate of electors
>> But least these Republican operatives in Pennsylvania put a caveat on that on
>> Selecting electors votes
00:03:06
and basically said that it's contingent upon the court's overturning.
>> The election in favor of Donald Trump that this is these, that placeholders who if the courts would and there were some cases still pending an if the court were to overturn the case, what happened in other states like Michigan, for instance, these people basically signing said, were the the electorate even Donald Trump didn't win Michigan and that's why 16 the number 6 people are facing forgery charges for filing those elections certificate. So so Pennsylvania, well, not making the best decision to submit them. Did you do it in a way that may have protected himself And I'm curious yesterday the judge put several caveats on the former president for his conduct.
>> Among them don't talk to any other witnesses and don't try to intimidate any other witnesses. But you also pretty much just ask him to play nice. And before he even boarded the plane to go back to New Jersey, he was talking about the dirty nasty city and
00:04:08
district did not being fair to him and the judge not being fair to him. Do you foresee a gag order in this case?
>> Well, it's certainly possible, especially in light of the, you action. It's it's a coming soon. You know, but do you know I've been doing this for 35 years and have I done these cases as a prosecutor criminal cases is that as a defense attorney, I still do them today.
>> I've never her a judge admonished defendant not to bribe or intimidate witnesses, not to try to influence the jury. I've never heard that before. That's unprecedented. My.
>> So what was your reaction when you heard the judge say that? It was I was astonished quite frankly, because, you know, advising.
>> A former president of the United States, you're in him.
00:05:10
Don't try to intimidate witnesses. Don't try to witnesses, don't try to influence the jury. It's not obvious to every defendant. You have to remind the former president not to do that.
>> I want to go back to something and I'm not going to take credit for this. But I heard someone on TV this morning saying it took 247 years in this country to prove what the founding fathers said when they said that all men and adding in that line are created equal. And that happened yesterday inside that courtroom in Washington. Do you believe that was the case?
>> And every American should believe that nobody is above the law. That everyone breaks the law. And again, these are allegations and he's proven innocent until proven guilty.
>> But nobody's above the law. If you have committed the crime regardless of your stature in the community, you should be held accountable.
00:06:10
And I think that's what most Americans want.
>> As we have been indicating Jack Smith, the special counsel appears to be playing three-dimensional chess. He did not charge 6 unindicted co-conspirators. Many experts say that that would ball down the legal process to agree that what he did by not charging the unindicted co-conspirators at this point in time will speed up this trial.
>> Well, I don't know exactly, obviously with Jack and Smith's strategy but I do know that if you have 6, 4, 7 defendants in the case and you're trying to move that case forward, it's going to move forward.
>> Or slow it it, you know, you're going to have issues with every one of those defendants. You can have.
>> Pretrial issues with every one of those defendants in that case can get bogged If you're trying to to streamline case and speed, it's processed through the system. You're going want to go with one defendant, your primary target and you're going want to focus
00:07:11
all that attention on that defendant and move this case forward as quickly as possible. Fani Willis in Georgia, the da says she is ready. How does that complement complicate the math with regards to the calendar, the political calendar, the legal calendar, any calendar you want to pick.
>> You know, we're looking at potentially that the 4th said of indictments former President Trump. And there's no question it's going to happen. I think the sheriff is already closed. The street in front of the courthouse for all of next week in anticipation of this. You know, going to add another layer to this saga. It's certainly interesting because this is a state prosecution, which that whole debate about in the Can a president pardon himself really doesn't apply to this case. And in the other case in Manhattan, yeah. So it's interesting to see how these cases all sort of route.
00:08:14
>> It's taking a card to keep track of them. All attorney and former da meth human genome at have a good weekend.
>> Thank you. Dowe you too.
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